The Neturei Karta
The Orthodox Jews of the Neturei Karta (“Guardians of the City”) believe that the true state of Israel cannot be established until the return of the Messiah. And “state” is actually a wrong word choice there. They not only believe today’s Israel is illegitimate, they do not even accept the concept of a Jewish state as being consistent with the Torah!
They consider Zionists to be usurpers of Judaism, and advocate the view that the Palestinians are rightful possessors of Israel’s land..
There’s some more history that I need to study, but this is not the only group who mentions that Zionism is a century-old movement only superficially interested in spiritual matters. Throw in the secularness of modern Israel and other circumstantial factors, the idea that Israel is far more a political than divine creation makes a lot of sense. Or, if you take the point of view that God is responsible for the state’s creation, it does not mean this state of Israel is the same Biblical Israel He made promises to.
Side note: to obtain the borders most traditionally accepted as granted by God (at least, in U.S. Baptist or similar type churches), Israel would need to conquer parts of Jordan, Syria, the Sinai (Egypt), and perhaps Lebanon.
More: About the Neturei Karta
Hi;
Over the centuries God appears to have given Palestine to the Jews; the Christians; the Muslims; the British; the Romans and God alone knows who else. I just wish she could make up her mind!
You may wish to expand your researches to cover the allocation of water in the middle east. It might not be a coincidence that it has been alleged that Israel is trying to depopulate Palestine and southern Lebanon. These countries share a sub aquifer with Israel and Israel appears to be using more and more water every year…
God does seem to have a strange habit of redrawing the boundary lines based on what new resources have been discovered and who has the biggest guns.
http://mapsomething.com/demo/waterusage/ might be a place to start.
Yours;
R.
Reply to RichardMaybe eggkind should get a shot at it next.
Reply to DonnieHaving spent a significant portion of my life as part of a Jewish family I can say a couple things for sure. One, The Middle East is an outrageously complicated place. Two, spend a Rosh Hashana with some Jews and youll quickly realize that working together is not their strong point. Three, Gefilte fish is thoroughly disgusting.
Reply to Pawn ShamanOK, I must attempt to find some of this Gefilte fish now.
Reply to DonnieI had Gelfite fish in Germany. It was canned, with creamy dill sauce. If it weren’t for the dill sauce I probably could have used the fish as a loofah pad to exfoliate, as that is what the texture reminded me of.
Reply to annieUh. So I guess it didn’t get your seal of approval either?
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